OND - I am so glad that you have found a friend to support you in the JW wilderness. As you both progress with your fade, don't make statements to other JW's, just pose questions. Get them to think about what the answer should be.
You have a PM.
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I'm not alone in the congregation, after all
by ohnightdivine ini can now say that i'm not alone to know ttatt in my congregation, after all.. i have come to know that my close friend is awake, even without me sharing the ttatt with him/her.
on one of our recent conversations i mentioned about being tired and no longer being uplifted anymore, and my friend then told me he/she was feeling the same.
i don't know how it happened but we knew we could trust each other.
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How to sue the WT over shunning policy. It CAN happen!
by Bad_Wolf inthis is a very good document from a law school exploring religious freedom vs an individuals right to religious freedom without blackmail, pressure, etc, and also explores why certain lawsuits did not win and what it would take to win them.
https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=3827&context=penn_law_review.
a person born in, and whose parents or family pressured to shun because they simply left the religion, who has evidence of damages, etc, would likely have a good case if they find a good lawyer.
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The Fall Guy
Can the law force me to associate/talk to someone whom I don't like/despise? The org simply has to say that shunning is down to individual choice and is a "conscience matter."
Law courts avoid adjudicating on how religions deal with teachings and discipline.
I'd love to see it, but have serious doubts we'll see it happen any time soon.
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To Be, or Not to Be?
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara ina pomo n a pimo.
grt witnessing going on.. pimo mulling over to be or not to be.. thought this was funny.. possibly the real face of the wtbs members.. .
peace.
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Just smile and wave boys, smile and wave!
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A Brexit Glossary
by snugglebunny in"i" news, jan 10, 2019:.
a brexit glossary: .
people’s vote – a second referendum.
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The Fall Guy
It's interesting that Parliament's politicians decided that a call for a General Election requires the support of 75% of MP's.
But to leave the EU only required 38% of the voting electorate to defeat the other 35% who voted.
More than 26% didn't vote, resulting in Brexiteers winning by a majority of 1,269,501. (3.78% of all who voted)
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Hello
by Hendrixgrip inhi, this is my long overdue introduction.
i’ve been visiting this site since probably around 2011. in that time, i’ve taken a lot from these discussions and never contributed anything.
i’m not sure that i have much to contribute these days because i just don’t pay too much attention to wt land.
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The Fall Guy
A very big welcome to you and yours, Hendrix.
As a former elder I'm sure you'll have a lot of knowledge and experiences to share which will help lurkers and faders alike. I was fortunate - I woke up when I was an unimportant Ministerial Servant. So glad I never "progressed."
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My highlights from GB member Jackson's ARC testimony
by The Fall Guy inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erwv8yntfto.
nice to review how one of the "faithful snakes" slithered when he was captive to being questioned.. at 40 seconds, he is asked to swear an oath - and he swears on the bible.
obviously jesus' words slipped his mind: matthew 5:34-37 - "however, i say to you: do not swear at all, neither by heaven.....nor by earth,.... just let your word ‘yes’ mean yes, your ‘no,’ no, for what goes beyond these is from the wicked one.
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Yes. He waffles on about whether someone is still a JW, although inactive, and that they'd be disciplined if they wanted to return to the congregation.
And of course he lies through his teeth about faders not being shunned.
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My highlights from GB member Jackson's ARC testimony
by The Fall Guy inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erwv8yntfto.
nice to review how one of the "faithful snakes" slithered when he was captive to being questioned.. at 40 seconds, he is asked to swear an oath - and he swears on the bible.
obviously jesus' words slipped his mind: matthew 5:34-37 - "however, i say to you: do not swear at all, neither by heaven.....nor by earth,.... just let your word ‘yes’ mean yes, your ‘no,’ no, for what goes beyond these is from the wicked one.
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There was a JW sister in Glasgow a number of years ago who was jailed for refusing to swear an oath on the Bible. Her fine was then paid by an anonymous person* and she was released.
*generally believed to have been one of the Greenlees family.
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My highlights from GB member Jackson's ARC testimony
by The Fall Guy inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erwv8yntfto.
nice to review how one of the "faithful snakes" slithered when he was captive to being questioned.. at 40 seconds, he is asked to swear an oath - and he swears on the bible.
obviously jesus' words slipped his mind: matthew 5:34-37 - "however, i say to you: do not swear at all, neither by heaven.....nor by earth,.... just let your word ‘yes’ mean yes, your ‘no,’ no, for what goes beyond these is from the wicked one.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erWV8YnTFto
Nice to review how one of the "faithful snakes" slithered when he was captive to being questioned.
At 40 seconds, he is asked to swear an oath - and he swears on the Bible. Obviously Jesus' words slipped his mind: Matthew 5:34-37 - "However, I say to you: Do not swear at all, neither by heaven.....nor by earth,.... Just let your word ‘Yes’ mean yes, your ‘No,’ no, for what goes beyond these is from the wicked one."
At 9 minutes 50 seconds, he reveals a new light - that he and the rest of the governing body are G.O.D.'s = Guardians Of Doctrine.
At 11 minutes 36 seconds, he says that the GB will allow "someone" to inform the GB regarding a need to change doctrine or policy.
At 15 minutes 34 seconds, Jackson's forked-tongue really shows. In an effort to compare the alleged 1st century governing body with him and his pals in Warwick, he reads Acts 6:3,4 - "So, brothers, select for yourselves seven reputable men from among you, full of spirit and wisdom, that we may appoint them over this necessary matter; but we will devote ourselves to prayer and to the ministry of the word.”
He then misquotes the verse by saying, "So verse 4 describes the role of the [present-day] governing body as we see it, to devote ourselves to prayer and the word of God..."
The scripture says the apostles were devoted to the ministry of the word - not the word of God. Mr. Jackass couldn't possibly commit the GB to doing as much field ministry as publishers and pioneers are expected to do, could he?
At 20 minutes 34 seconds he is asked, "Do you [the GB] see yourselves as Jehovah God's spokespeople on earth?" He replies, "Ah, that I think would seem to be quite presumptuous, to say that we [the GB] are the only spokesperson that God is using.
At 25 minutes 20 seconds he says that the GB, Branch Committees, and JW have a primary allegiance to Jehovah God, and that a Branch Committee can tell the GB if "something doesn't work" or is "not appropriate" so that it can be "adjusted accordingly." In other words Jacko, JW's have the right to reject anything the GB says which is not scripturally provable.
At 27 minutes 40 seconds he says a "central group" [GB] has to decide on the interpretation of scriptures.
After 49 minutes the judge asked him these 4 questions - "Does your church accept corporal punishment of children? Do you accept corporal punishment? Do you accept corporal punishment? Do prohibit it?"
Jackson tried his damndest not to answer 'Yes' or 'No' but the judge had him on the ropes. Jacko's squirming was visible.
At 1 hour 45 minutes & 26 seconds: At various times during his examination, sanctimonious Jackson quoted scriptures in an attempt to justify the JW mentality. Each time he did so, he patronizingly told Mr. Stewart, "It's on page...........," despite the fact that Mr. Stewart apparently had no trouble finding most of the Bible books.
Mr. Stewart then rubs Jacko's nose in it when he tells Jackson that he wants him to look at Deuteronomy 22:23-27 in his Bible - and then says to Jackson, "It's on page 304." Priceless!!!
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New witness a bit lost
by purelove20 innot sure it's ok to post here about that.
im sorry if i'm wrong but i'm just trying to find my way and meet people that could help me become a good witness.
i recently discovered my faith as a witness.
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The Fall Guy
PURELOVE20 - You have been exposed to the "love" of JW's and that is why you want to join them.
I have sent you a Private Message. See the little green envelope at the top of the page.
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Simon's Forum Is More Than Just a Forum!
by Atlantis infriends:.
simon's forum is much more than just a forum where we come to expose the watchtower.
it is a place that simon wanted people to be able to come to, to receive help, support, or find a compassionate listener.. this forum has exposed the watchtower more times than any forum on the net.
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The Fall Guy
Amen, Atlantis.
May mutual respect and human empathy for fellow members be shown even more so in 2019 - and let lurkers and PIMO's see that there are genuine and sincere people here.